MBM Screens

[jc634]

I have some screens for MBM. If anyone is interested, let me know.

I have them for the 631 and for the 634.

You would have to edit them for your specific id's.

Jim

[jc634]

Here are my mbm screens for the 631

[jc634]

Here are my mbm screens for the 634

[sandman]

strange.
the screens dont work for me...

which version of MBM should i use?

[Sunder1025]

How do you find out what the ID's are for the different values?

[jc634]

There is directory under CC2 named mbm-ini-gen. Run the mbm_ini_creator.exe file. This will create a .ini file for you (you must have MBM installed and running when you do this). If I remember correctly, you have to rename it to cc2_mbm.ini. Just make the file is called cc2_mbm.ini, at least. Move it your Crystalcontrol2\cc2-service directory. Part of the file that I created when I had MBM installed is as follows:

[sensor00]
comment="Temp Sensor 1 - Case"
name_id=1213913833
value_id=1895855
min_id=2748208265
max_id=689454350

[sensor01]
comment="Temp Sensor 2 - CPU"
name_id=4055797019
value_id=2508810313
min_id=848618958
max_id=42943802

[sensor02]
comment="Temp Sensor 3 - Sensor 3"
name_id=2780136986
value_id=3044718348
min_id=2621479887
max_id=1388419889


Note your name_id values. You will have to edit your (my) screen files to put in your name_id values. You may have to experiment with your names (i.e., CPU) and the name_id values to make sure you have them matched correctly.

That should be it.

If you still have problems, let me know. I may end up having to reinstall MBM and going thru the process (in case I missed any steps!).

Jim

[vela13]

i changed the mbm screen file using the name id as suggested and all i get is cpu: [E01]C


any ideas?

[jc634]

I will have to reinstall MBM and go thru the sequence. I will get back to you later.

Jim

[jc634]

OK....

1. Run the program mbm_ini_creator.exe in the mbm_ini_creator directory. DO THIS ONCE, ONLY!!!

2. This creates a file in this directory called data_mbm.ini. Rename it to cc2_mbm.ini.

3. Edit this file. Change as follows:

From:

[sensor0] WRONG!
comment=Temp Sensor 1 - Case
name_id=2409939857
value_id=25089146
min_id=2609587134
max_id=2672310381
[sensor1] WRONG!
comment=Temp Sensor 2 - CPU
name_id=815027244
value_id=3842238949
min_id=1369409882
max_id=4009388205

To:

[sensor00] CORRECT!
comment=Temp Sensor 1 - Case
name_id=2409939857
value_id=25089146
min_id=2609587134
max_id=2672310381
[sensor01] CORRECT!
comment=Temp Sensor 2 - CPU
name_id=815027244
value_id=3842238949
min_id=1369409882
max_id=4009388205

4. Save the file and note the value_id #'s. Move the file to the cc2-service directory.

5. Edit the jc_mbm_Temps.2002 (or .2004 file). and change the id=xxxxxxx to the ones in your specific cc2_mbm.ini file. You may have to experiment to determine which sensor is which...

6. Save the file and add the screen in CC2. You should have actual temps displayed now.

Hopefully, this explains everything. If not, post here and I will try to fix it. Upload your .ini file and screen file!!!

Jim

[jc634]

BTW, do not put the WRONG! and CORRECT! in the file.:)

Jim

[sharko]

Do you have to delete the entries labeled [sensor32], [sensor34], [sensor35], [sensor36], [sensor48], [sensor64] and everything else below them leaving only [sensor00] and [sensor01] ?

[jc634]

You don't have to.

CC2 simply has a bug that named the sensors 00 to 09; 0 to 9

The other entries simply refer to other temp and voltages sensors.

Jim

[sharko]

For some reason I cant get it to display the CPU and case temp right. It shows my case temp where the CPU temp is supposed to be displayed it shows [E01] next to MB :/

Do you mind checking what's wrong?

http://home.earthlink.net/~elbbbb1201/cc2/

[vela13]

great thanks for the help - i will try it when i get home

[vela13]

on another matter... I would prefer to use speedfan as I am sure in the future it will be able to read my graphic card temps. At the moment i am using mbm and rivatuner (with the 631 rivatuner screen)

my problem is that my motherboard handles my fan speeds for me and does it very well. If i run speedfan it runs my fans at 100%, is there any way to tell speedfan to leave my fans at the speed they are currently running?

i know this isn't speefan support but just wondered if an obviously clever chap like yourself knows...

[vela13]

worked a treat changing the 0 to 00

also the id you need to use is value id not name id

cheers for the help

[jc634]

Originally posted by vela13
on another matter... I would prefer to use speedfan as I am sure in the future it will be able to read my graphic card temps. At the moment i am using mbm and rivatuner (with the 631 rivatuner screen)

my problem is that my motherboard handles my fan speeds for me and does it very well. If i run speedfan it runs my fans at 100%, is there any way to tell speedfan to leave my fans at the speed they are currently running?

i know this isn't speefan support but just wondered if an obviously clever chap like yourself knows...

You might try Reider. I don't the fan speed options myself.

However, on my MB, you can disable fan speed control. You might check your MB Bios to see if you can disable and then use Speedfan.

Jim

[jc634]

Originally posted by vela13
worked a treat changing the 0 to 00

also the id you need to use is value id not name id

cheers for the help

You are correct!:o

Jim

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
For some reason I cant get it to display the CPU and case temp right. It shows my case temp where the CPU temp is supposed to be displayed it shows [E01] next to MB :/

Do you mind checking what's wrong?

http://home.earthlink.net/~elbbbb1201/cc2/

I will take a look and post back later.

Jim

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
For some reason I cant get it to display the CPU and case temp right. It shows my case temp where the CPU temp is supposed to be displayed it shows [E01] next to MB :/

Do you mind checking what's wrong?

http://home.earthlink.net/~elbbbb1201/cc2/

Ok,

First, switch the value_id's for MB and Case. I am not sure how the comments are generated, but they may not be correct. This should get your case temp aligned with the "MB:" name in the screen file.

Regarding your CPU temp, I am not exactly sure what is going on. You have copied the value_id correctly. It may be possible that the you need to use the Sensor64 value id:confused:

Try it and see what value you get.

Jim

[sharko]

Ok, I got it to work, I had the CPU value_id correct the first time around. I didnt realize you had to remove and add the screen in to cc2 to get it to pick up any changes you made to the file. Thanks for the help.

[jc634]

No problem. I'm glad you got it working.:)

Jim

[daks001]

Here is an example of Multi-Graphs on a 631 display, they display the CPU. Case , and HDC information from MBM then one display 3 bargraphs and the other displays three histograms.

I've put some comments in the sample screens that will have to be removed before use, delete everything after the #'s in the screens but make sure you folow the thread above and the directions inside the screen files.

Enjoy...

[sharko]

I'm not sure if this would be too much to ask, but jc634, would it be possible for you to modify the 631 MBM screen and get rid of the video card temp and display the CPU and Case temps with big numbers? :D

Reason I ask is because most of us ATI users dont have a thermal monitor on our video cards. Only those who have put one themselves or those who own a card with the "XT" extension.

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
I'm not sure if this would be too much to ask, but jc634, would it be possible for you to modify the 631 MBM screen and get rid of the video card temp and display the CPU and Case temps with big numbers? :D

Reason I ask is because most of us ATI users dont have a thermal monitor on our video cards. Only those who have put one themselves or those who own a card with the "XT" extension.

Give me a little time...

Jim

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
I'm not sure if this would be too much to ask, but jc634, would it be possible for you to modify the 631 MBM screen and get rid of the video card temp and display the CPU and Case temps with big numbers? :D

Reason I ask is because most of us ATI users dont have a thermal monitor on our video cards. Only those who have put one themselves or those who own a card with the "XT" extension.

I have attached a zip file with 4 screens:

jc_mbm_big-temps.2002
jc_mbm_big-temps-1.2002
jc_MBM_CPU_bigtemps.2002
jc_MBM_MB_bigtemps.2002

The last 2 work just fine. Just remember to put in your id #'s. (see below)

[from00]
from="cc2_bigchars.ini"
sec="big-#"
opt01="id_item=3842238949" Put your id # here!!
opt02="id1=@02"
opt03="id0=@03"

Note:

1. Simply add spaces if you want to space out further (Line 1 and Line 2). If unsure, ask me to elaborate.

2. The degree symbol cannot be displayed because it uses the same routine that displays big #'s. Only 1 (I think) special character can be displayed at a time.

The first 2 kind of work, but... (see 2 above). I tried 2 variations to see what I could get for output. I think that this is what you want (both temps on same screen), but they don't work, because of #2 above.

Assuming that what you would ultimately want is both temps on 1 screen, you might ask daks (who is really much better than I at understanding some of the underlying programing) or ask CC admin to debug to see if either I screwed up(!) or if it possible to change the program to accommodate more than 1 special character at a time.

I realize that this is alot to throw at you:) ; it is sometimes difficult to explain all the the details, when sometimes I do not understand them all.:D

Jim

[daks001]

Originally posted by jc634

The first 2 kind of work, but... (see 2 above). I tried 2 variations to see what I could get for output. I think that this is what you want (both temps on same screen), but they don't work, because of #2 above.

Assuming that what you would ultimately want is both temps on 1 screen, you might ask daks (who is really much better than I at understanding some of the underlying programing) or ask CC admin to debug to see if either I screwed up(!) or if it possible to change the program to accommodate more than 1 special character at a time.
Jim

The display hardware characterset only allows a total of 8 custom characters at a time on the screen. Since Bigchar uses 4 for the top row and 4 for the bottom row you cannot run two different bigchars at the same time on the same screen and why it will not work on the same screen as cchar(0-8), showgif(4-8), hbar(2?) and histogram(4?).
If you go over this, the last 8 characters are what gets used and can cause some unplanned displays on the screen.

[reider]

Originally posted by vela13
on another matter... I would prefer to use speedfan as I am sure in the future it will be able to read my graphic card temps. At the moment i am using mbm and rivatuner (with the 631 rivatuner screen)

my problem is that my motherboard handles my fan speeds for me and does it very well. If i run speedfan it runs my fans at 100%, is there any way to tell speedfan to leave my fans at the speed they are currently running?

i know this isn't speefan support but just wondered if an obviously clever chap like yourself knows...

This is an excellent thread and I intend coming back and trying some of the MBM stuff as I have a particular use for it. But, in reply to the bit about Speedfan and fan speeds I will give what could be the answer here. I do not wish to take over this thread with an off topic discussion so please PM me for more details or start a seperate thread. Then I can come back here and mooch around a bit.

5 Steps To Heaven

(1) Open speedfan whilst it is running.
(2) Hit the configure button.
(3) Hit the speeds tab, change it to 5% min to 15% max provided you know this will adequately cool your computer.
(4) Place a tick in 'automatically variated' and repeat this tick plus the min/max values for every speed showing on this tab.
(5) Hit ok button. At the main screen place a tick in 'automatic fan speed', reboot n smoke yer fave cheroot!!!

Make sure speedfan is loaded in the Windows startup folder. Now this gives you automatic 15%, you want to deviate it then you now know how. Keep an eye on the temps n don`t burn that mother out! If you`re gonna play games, then temporarily take the tick out of auto and turn all fans to 100% by keying the value in to each box (the tab key and an identical value are quick n easy). Return the tick in auto when you return, it will bring them back to 15% power itself.

We look after you here, don`t be too impatient-you have to fool with any software at least a little bit! It is imperative that you change to 100% when playing games. Luckily I have a reminder because I still see the live temps in both LCD windows whilst I`m playing.

Steve

[sharko]

Thanks for trying anyway jc634, I see now its limited by the hardware.

I thought it was working but the same temp appeared in big numbers for both the CPU and MB, even after rechecking to see if I had the id's right.

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
Thanks for trying anyway jc634, I see now its limited by the hardware.

I thought it was working but the same temp appeared in big numbers for both the CPU and MB, even after rechecking to see if I had the id's right.

Perhaps Crystalfontz might update their BIOS's someday? I wouldn't hold my breath, tho:)

I am still waiting for them to release their "(in)famous" daughterboard for the 631!

Jim

[jc634]

Originally posted by sharko
Thanks for trying anyway jc634, I see now its limited by the hardware.

I thought it was working but the same temp appeared in big numbers for both the CPU and MB, even after rechecking to see if I had the id's right.

Also, you can use the indivdual temp screens. They do work just fine!

Jim

[CF Tech]

Originally posted by jc634
Perhaps Crystalfontz might update their BIOS's someday? I wouldn't hold my breath, tho:) . . .Unfortunately, every "character" LCD controller I am aware of has the 8-custom character limit. The next step would be a graphics display, which adds to complexity & cost, although it does add flexibility.Originally posted by jc634
. . . I am still waiting for them to release their "(in)famous" daughterboard for the 631!I think before the end of February 2005 you will see some new products, including the SCAB.

[reider]

Originally posted by CF Tech
Unfortunately, every "character" LCD controller I am aware of has the 8-custom character limit. The next step would be a graphics display, which adds to complexity & cost, although it does add flexibility.I think before the end of February 2005 you will see some new products, including the SCAB.

The SCAB??? Whats that all about? Sounds interesting.

Steve

[jc634]

Originally posted by CF Tech
Unfortunately, every "character" LCD controller I am aware of has the 8-custom character limit.

It was just a thought!:D

Jim

[Jutias]

Need help with setting up the MBM temp screens.
Changed the id's to my value id's and no go.
Even set all your temp id's to my CPU temp value id and no go.
Screens come up in my 631 and 634 but no temps.
I think I need a mbm screen setup for Dummys.
Took a screen shot of my mbm ini file and attached it.

thanks

Jutias

[jc634]

Upload your screen file and I will take a look.

Jim

[Jutias]

Man that was quick.
What do you mean...Screen File.
I was trying to use your "jc_mbm_temp files".

Jutias

[jc634]

You bet, yes. I assume that you have modified it for your mbm values. If I look at the file and and screen printout, I can probably figure the problem.

I do assume that you are getting temp reading in mbm, also. I know it is it dumb question;) , but I do have to ask.

Jim

[Jutias]

MBM shows temps, fan speeds and voltage.
I'm the one asking dumb questions here!
Thanks

Jutias.

[Jutias]

Just to let you know....I'm heading for work and not
iqnoring you if you post again.

See you in the morning.

Thanks Again For Your Trouble.


Jutias

[daks001]

Originally posted by Jutias
Need help with setting up the MBM temp screens.
Changed the id's to my value id's and no go.
Even set all your temp id's to my CPU temp value id and no go.
Screens come up in my 631 and 634 but no temps.
I think I need a mbm screen setup for Dummys.
Took a screen shot of my mbm ini file and attached it.

thanks

Jutias

From the JC_mbm_Temps.2002 (631 Screen file)... did you change in this section (for example)


[r00-i02]
length=2
id=2508810313


the: id=2508810313

to id=1085864257
(from your posted MBM.ini file)?
Your description sounds like you did but I just wanted to make sure...

Have you copied the created data_mbm.ini from the mbm_ini_creator.exe program to your C:\Program Files\CrystalControl2\cc2-service directory and renamed it to cc2_mbm.ini?

Do you see any lines like this in your cc2_mbm.log file;

Thu 13 23:01:25 NOTICE ini_read_dword: value found: sensor64->name_id = 2465774537

Or do you see something like this in the cc2_mbm.ini file;

Thu 13 23:01:21 NOTICE log_start: Logging started
Thu 13 23:01:21 NOTICE timer_calibrate: timer ticks/sec: 2870131632.6311
Thu 13 23:01:22 CRITICAL ini_read: Could not open config file "C:\Program Files\CrystalControl2\cc2-service\cc2_mbm.ini"

These things are addicting eh? How many times did you think about it at work?

;)

[Jutias]

Howdy....
Yep, changed the id to 108810313.
Changed my "data_mbm" file to "cc2_mbm.ini" and put
it in the service directory.
Haven't checked the log files. Going to hit the hay. I'll
go back & check everything again to make sure and
look at log files.
I'll be back tonite.


Thanks

Jutias

[Jutias]

Ok...got to do this or else I'll stay awake.
At the bottom of my cc2_mbm.ini file it says...

[sensor64]
comment=cpu 1-cpu
name_ id=3246315547
value_ id=2077777637
min_ id=3018738166
max_ id=2188301124

I'm running my P4 3.06 Hyperthreaded....does that make
a differance?
Also, my log file shows the "Could not open config file
"C:\Program Files \CrystalControl2\cc2-service\cc2_mbm.ini"


DUH>..............Thats the default directory......I changed it
to " D:\blah blah...when I set up CC2.
I just have WindowsXP on my C drive and all my programs
on my D:\....
Shi_sky...... I guess I'll re-install cc2 in the default directory
and start over when I get up.
I'll check back in before I do.

Thanks

Jutias

[Jutias]

OK, did the cc2 & MBM uninstall and re-installed cc2 to my C"\ drive.
Put speed fans back in but not MBM. The reason I didn't use
speed fans was that it would peg my CPU usage to 100%
and I had to use task mgr to stop it. I start it again and all would be ok. It's still doing that. I like speed fans but thats a pain.
I'll hang with it for awhile because in a way, I like speed fans better but I also liked the control you had with MBM and the old
cc1.
Oh Well

Thanks for your trouble again.

Jutias

[jc634]

What version of speedfan do you have? The current version is 4.19. There is also a 4.20 BETA, which you can download if you register with Speedfan.

Don't quote me on this (I may be thinking of a different program), but it seems that I remember something about the 100% being addressed, either on 4.19 or the BETA.

Anyway, check it out.

Jim

[Jutias]

Thanks...I'll check it out.


Jutias

[reider]

Originally posted by Jutias
OK, did the cc2 & MBM uninstall and re-installed cc2 to my C"\ drive.
Put speed fans back in but not MBM. The reason I didn't use
speed fans was that it would peg my CPU usage to 100%
and I had to use task mgr to stop it. I start it again and all would be ok. It's still doing that. I like speed fans but thats a pain.
I'll hang with it for awhile because in a way, I like speed fans better but I also liked the control you had with MBM and the old
cc1.
Oh Well

Thanks for your trouble again.

Jutias

This is how my setup works, OS bootup, Speedfan automatically loads, all four fans (3 internal and one external 120mm) automatically drop to 5% rising to 15% as may be necessary. Their is a fail-safe for when the temps rise too much, in this case Speedfan will rise to 100%. If I decide to enter a game then I will manually set it to 100% to obviate the extra heat generation.

How did I achieve this setup. Made a shortcut icon for Speedfan in the Startup section, then proceeded as follows for the automatic percentage fan levels.

5 Steps To (Automatic Fan Control) Heaven

(1) Open speedfan whilst it is running.
(2) Hit the configure button.
(3) Hit the speeds tab, change it to 5% min to 15% max provided you know this will adequately cool your computer.
(4) Place a tick in 'automatically variated' and repeat this tick plus the min/max values for every speed showing on this tab.
(5) Hit ok button. At the main screen place a tick in 'automatic fan speed', reboot n smoke yer fave cheroot!!!

Make sure speedfan is loaded in the Windows startup folder. Now this gives you automatic 15%, you want to deviate it then you now know how. Keep an eye on the temps n don`t burn that mother out! If you`re gonna play games, then temporarily take the tick out of auto and turn all fans to 100% by keying the value in to each box (the tab key and an identical value are quick n easy). Return the tick in auto when you return, it will bring them back to 15% power itself.

[Jutias]

Just set up Speedfan 4.20. All is well....no more 100% CPU
usage......yet.


Looking good!!

Thanks all of you again.

Jutias

[jc634]

Originally posted by Jutias
Just set up Speedfan 4.20. All is well....no more 100% CPU
usage......yet.


Looking good!!

Thanks all of you again.

Jutias

Good!:D Much easier to setup than MBM, also.

Jim

[mack]

hello, I've been reading through this thread and it was very helpful. I've got MBM5 working now on my 634 USB. However, I cannot get my GPU temperature display.

In order to get it working in mbm5 it has to work off sensor 25 for me.

I was wondering if anyone knew how to obtain the value_id for sensor 25?

Thanks